Fire wrote:However, education can be directly linked to poverty ....
because they can't afford to spend their time leaning instead of surviving....
spending time each day being educated would make life more diffucult, but not impossible....
Fire wrote:There are obviously many causes for crime such as the amount of money in the trafficking of drugs and poverty. Both of these factors are much more directly linked to crime than non mandatory education. However, education can be directly linked to poverty (people who receive an education receive higher paying jobs, and a city with a higher level of education will have a bigger economy) and while adult immigrants do not receive any education, people who grow up in BC and receive an education would be less likely to end up in poverty and driven to crime.
Fire wrote:The people that would benefit the most from making education mandatory are the ones in between the lower classes and the upper classes, where spending time each day being educated would make life more diffucult, but not impossible.
Fire wrote:I do not have a rebuttal for your point on class barriers. Is this problem severe enough that being educated would not make any difference in people's lives?
Fire wrote:In Ontario, the public education system is not mandatory if an education is being received outside of it. The non-public education system that is obvious to me is home-schooling, but this covers approximately the same topics and takes approximately the same amount of time, so I doubt this is what you are referring to. Could you be a little more clear, and provide some examples of non-public education?
trillicat wrote:Also, proofreading would go a long way (not that you are the only one to allow spelling errors to go uncorrected in this thread; *pointed glance at Hurley*)
HurlyBurlesque wrote: the correlation between highschool diplomas
...sitting still long enough to be tested on the information they're not interested it.....trillicat wrote:Also, proofreading would go a long way (not that you are the only one to allow spelling errors to go uncorrected in this thread; *pointed glance at Hurley*)
I hardly think fire's typing errors were horrendous, it was just a (very occasional) slip of the finger. I'm curious, though, what errors you saw in mine, since I've been back over what I've written and haven't seen any, so I'd probably profit from the knowledge.
Rossignol wrote:The main problem with the public school system in America is just that; it is public and government run. I posit that this is a vastly inefficient method of schooling, when a free market solution so easily exists. Instead of forcing everyone to comply with arbitrary bureaucratic standards of education, it would be much simpler to allow a fully privatized school system to flourish.
In a private school system, the students who clearly do not want to be in class, do not have to be. By removing the government mandate on education, much of the dead weight would be cut out of the schools, allowing the committed students to learn much more effectively. Furthermore, if families did not have to pay the outrageously high taxes that fund public schools, they would easily have the money to spend on a private institution. Of course, there may be some families who would be unable to pay for these schools, which would be unfortunate. However, this problem would again be naturally solved by a private system. If a school saw promise in a student, then, much like a college, the school would offer grant money or a scholarship.
A private system has more advantages. I'm sure many of you are aware of the constant debate to teach Christian ideas and beliefs in school. I believe that everyone should have their own choice of religion, and it should not be forced on others. Accordingly, separate institutions would exist to cater to each demographic. Those who wish to teach Christian ideology would be free to, and those who prefer other religions, or no religion at all, would also have their choice.
A fully privatized school system of sorts is being pioneered in Post-Katrina New Orleans right now. Despite the tragedy of Katrina, there is some hope that has arisen there. Following the advice of Milton Friedman, a charter school system has been established there. These charter schools act like private schools, but receive a government subsidy. These charter schools have been thriving as a result of the absence of government intrusion. The system clearly works, and if the private college industry is any indication, the desire for private education institutions already exists. The only question is, why haven't we started yet?
Rossignol wrote:The system clearly works, and if the private college industry is any indication, the desire for private education institutions already exists. The only question is, why haven't we started yet?
HurlyBurlesque wrote:it saddens me that a Libertarian would look on this system, and see the gifting of education as the greater crime than the domination of a child's will, or a parent's.
How does it not horrify us that we are pressed to give away our children, send them from us each day, again, and again, until the days make months and years and every day for such many hours that they may return weary to us when their work is done, and all our time we should have had to love them has been swallowed. And for what? That experts may properly instruct them in two times two? I know the material they would have given, and what I do not yet is not so hard I cannot learn, it's easy stuff - easy enough for a child, sure - yet must I not be the one to share this? Must I bide without and meet my child new after twelve years absence? The thought of it cracks my heart.
School can be about learning what you want to learn, learning what interests you and learning what you think is important to your life. When I say that education would be the cornerstone of an anarchist society I'm talking about it in the broadest sense possible; everything from child rearing to listening to music.HurlyBurlesque wrote:the domination of a child's will, or a parent's."
GregTheAsshole wrote:First off, there's always the option of home-schooling your kids, the problem with that is, lost people need to work to feed, clothe and house their family, so they don't have the time for this. The fact that people have to work also makes the option of not sending their kids to school basically impossible because they would have to find something else to occupy their children from 9-5 from Monday to Friday.
GregTheAsshole wrote:I'm not sure if the libertarian remark was directed at me, but regardless, I'll respond to it. I am an anarchist, or libertarian if you'd like, but that doesn't mean I pretend I'm living in an anarchist society, because I realize that that is both counter-productive and dangerous for myself and those around me.
GregTheAsshole wrote:The way our society works, and I'd like to point out that I think this is a bad thing, we have to go to school just to learn how to properly function with our "fellow citizens".
GregTheAsshole wrote:We live in capitalist countries where having a university degree becomes more and more important everyday, to the point where it is basically a necessity unless you want to work for minimum wage in some soul-sucking job.
GregTheAsshole wrote:I don't by any means think our education system is perfect, or even anywhere close, but I think it's extremely important, if we want to prevent complete societal breakdown, that kids go to school.
GregTheAsshole wrote:That said, school does not have to be about...HurlyBurlesque wrote:the domination of a child's will, or a parent's."
GregTheAsshole wrote:School can be about learning what you want to learn, learning what interests you and learning what you think is important to your life. When I say that education would be the cornerstone of an anarchist society I'm talking about it in the broadest sense possible; everything from child rearing to listening to music.
Meanwhile children are watching video games and television and texting and playing around on the Internet. They have come to expect their world to be full of instant gratification. Even I am guilty of that as an adult, texting shopping list items to my husband to put on our shopping list spreadsheet, rather than relying on my own memory. Telephone numbers are stored in contact lists, so we no longer need to know the phone numbers of our friends and family. We want to know something, we google it and learn it instantly on Wikipedia or About.com. Knowledge retention is becoming obsolete as we outsource of cognitive functioning.
It's a completely different world than it was 150 years ago. We have so many more things TO know. Mechanics of cars, boats, planes, and various other structures. Engineering and physics and biology and chemistry have all had tremendous leaps in development. We have computers and wireless technologies of every kind. So much to learn and remember...I suppose we have a finite capacity for knowledge...or at least it's easier to believe that than to really strive to learn it all.
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